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TrailRetard
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Post subject: So...which to buy?  Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 11:24 am |
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I am trying to decide what rearend to buy...
On one hand there is the ford 8.8. I have read lots of good things about it such as the 31 spline shafts, disc brakes, has the 4.10 gears I need, limited slip, same bolt pattern, and is from what I hear very strong for the type of wheeling and mods I have. Oh, and it is also a c-clip axle.
On the other hand there is the Dana 44. Most likely from an XJ, MJ, or Scout. From what I hear it only has 27 spline shafts, drum brakes, and I don't think the 4.10s were offered in anything other than the Scout. Which would mean I would have to either regear, or change bolt patterns with adapters or wheels.
I am only looking to spend around $200 or less, and re-using my 35's bracketry. I am basically looking for a bolt-in axle, no full-width, no changing wheel sizes, etc...
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Post subject: Re: So...which to buy? Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:58 pm |
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mudpuppy wrote: I am trying to decide what rearend to buy...
On one hand there is the ford 8.8. I have read lots of good things about it such as the 31 spline shafts, disc brakes, has the 4.10 gears I need, limited slip, same bolt pattern, and is from what I hear very strong for the type of wheeling and mods I have. Oh, and it is also a c-clip axle.
On the other hand there is the Dana 44. Most likely from an XJ, MJ, or Scout. From what I hear it only has 27 spline shafts, drum brakes, and I don't think the 4.10s were offered in anything other than the Scout. Which would mean I would have to either regear, or change bolt patterns with adapters or wheels.
I am only looking to spend around $200 or less, and re-using my 35's bracketry. I am basically looking for a bolt-in axle, no full-width, no changing wheel sizes, etc...
the limiting factor is going to be the $200 or less. You might be able to pick up an 8.8 drum for that, unless you luck out with the disc.
the xj, mj 44's were going for 400+ last time i looked.
the scout is the wrong bolt pattern.
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 10:19 pm |
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A 44 out of an XJ would be hard as hell to find. They only put Dana 44s in XJs in 87.
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 10:42 pm |
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I think your best bet is to find a TJ 35, bolt it in for a little over $100, and then save up for an axle swap. That's what I am doing...
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Sparky
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 11:42 pm |
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he already did that once... but lead foot broke the new rearend and now wants to try and find something a little stronger...
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 11:54 pm |
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Sparky wrote: he already did that once... but lead foot broke the new rearend and meow wants to try and find something a little stronger...
ahhh. Well any axle swap besides a dana 35 is gonna be more than $200. You could try looking for a wrecked TJ with a dana 44 rear end, perhaps a rubicon so you could get a locker in the deal too? But even that would cost more than $200 I would think...
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:25 am |
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The Scout 44 is 32 spline I think, I know a guy who may have one with the 4:10 gears in it, but they are drum brake axles and can be converted to disc.
The bolt pattern is 5 on 5-1/2, like a Ford, so if you go with a hp front 44 from a Bronco you will match front and rear.
There is a kit to get rid of the unit bearings and add hubs/lockouts, that would get you the 5-5.5 pattern to match the rear.
http://www.warn.com/truck/axles/hubconv_kit_5on5.shtml
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 2:34 am |
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I don't like the 8.8 because its till a C-clip style axle.
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Get Bent
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 4:28 am |
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kennedy wrote: I don't like the 8.8 because its till a C-clip style axle.
DING DING DING DING WINNER!!!!!
Steel housing D44. Or a 60. Why take broken 1/4 ton stuff out and put in not-broke-yet-1/4 ton stuff? _________________ Hung like Einstein, smart as a horse. Semper Fidelis. 
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jkirisits
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 6:54 am |
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Tuffjarhed wrote: kennedy wrote: I don't like the 8.8 because its till a C-clip style axle. DING DING DING DING WINNER!!!!! Steel housing D44. Or a 60. Why take broken 1/4 ton stuff out and put in not-broke-yet-1/4 ton stuff? i still have not seen anyone break an 8.8 (other than me bending an axle shaft)
when working with limited funds, the 8.8 isn't a bad choice. Same bolt pattern, this is about as bolt in as you get, besides a tj 44.
you really need to compare costs with what you are actually using it for.
if you have a v8 and 35" or greater tires, you need a 14 or 60.
with a 4 or 6 cyl, the 8.8 will live just fine. tons of people have done it. out here in the midwest where we don't do that much rock crawling, why over do it with a 60 or 14 that will hang real low and scoop mud. I know you can shave them, but he is working on a limited budget.
I have an 8.8, it has had the hell beat out of it. the weak link so far has been the bent axle shaft, but i slid into a rock going down throttle hill at the badlands, sideways.
keep in mind, this is my opinion only. before you make up your mind, do a cost comparison.
for instance:
8.8 --> $250 (they usually come with no brakes)
calipers, pads, lines, etc... another $200
drive shaft, with the needed converter on the axle --> $150
complete junkyard 60 with new brakes --> about $200
the 60 will be wide, and the wrong bolt pattern.
me, either watch for a complete 8.8 from someone upgrading to a 60.
save for a bolt in 44....
I don't like 44's, i had one lose an axle shaft when i was doing 50 miles per hour down the highway... sucked... i got pics also..
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TrailRetard
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 6:31 pm |
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I can get the 8.8 complete with the 4.10's I want and all brakes for $250. From what I've read most can get the 8.8 to work with the stock driveshaft with no mods. Now if someone knows where there is a Scout 44 complete for sale with 4.10s for cheaper than that let me know. And if the scout 44's are really 32 spline than all the better. About the 8.8's c-clip axles, even if one breaks the shaft most likely wont come out, it'll still be held in by the caliper. Not to mention I dont do a whole lot of rock crawling just wheel at giraffe genitals and hopefully the badlands, and I don't plan on going bigger than 33's any time soon. I'm still leaning towards the 8.8, I know any axle is gonna be a lot of work getting the brackets right, which may be harder than I thought using my old ones, but this thing needs to get back on the road!
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TrailRetard
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 6:31 pm |
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oh yeah, for those of you that voted something else, what is your opinion?
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 4:37 am |
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jkirisits wrote: Tuffjarhed wrote: kennedy wrote: I don't like the 8.8 because its till a C-clip style axle. DING DING DING DING WINNER!!!!! Steel housing D44. Or a 60. Why take broken 1/4 ton stuff out and put in not-broke-yet-1/4 ton stuff? i still have not seen anyone break an 8.8 (other than me bending an axle shaft) when working with limited funds, the 8.8 isn't a bad choice. Same bolt pattern, this is about as bolt in as you get, besides a tj 44. you really need to compare costs with what you are actually using it for. if you have a v8 and 35" or greater tires, you need a 14 or 60. with a 4 or 6 cyl, the 8.8 will live just fine. tons of people have done it. out here in the midwest where we don't do that much rock crawling, why over do it with a 60 or 14 that will hang real low and scoop mud. I know you can shave them, but he is working on a limited budget. I have an 8.8, it has had the hell beat out of it. the weak link so far has been the bent axle shaft, but i slid into a rock going down throttle hill at the badlands, sideways. keep in mind, this is my opinion only. before you make up your mind, do a cost comparison. for instance: 8.8 --> $250 (they usually come with no brakes) calipers, pads, lines, etc... another $200 drive shaft, with the needed converter on the axle --> $150 complete junkyard 60 with new brakes --> about $200 the 60 will be wide, and the wrong bolt pattern. me, either watch for a complete 8.8 from someone upgrading to a 60. save for a bolt in 44.... I don't like 44's, i had one lose an axle shaft when i was doing 50 miles per hour down the highway... sucked... i got pics also.. I understand what you are saying, but keep in mind that the ONLY bolt-on axle he's gonna get is a TJ 44. No, those aren't available for 200. Therefor,all the bracketry and stuff on whatever is the replacement is going to have to be custom made, and I'm pretty sure I know the guy that's gonna do the work. I don't like doing things twice. Out here in the Midwest? Last I checked, Fort Wayne ain't in SOCAL. I don't like mud, but I've done it, and I probably will again. And as far as budgets are concerned, most guys on here have more  in their Daily Driver's than I do in my rig. I know that I am being hard headed on the subject, but as I said, I don't like doing things twice. _________________ Hung like Einstein, smart as a horse. Semper Fidelis.
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 10:58 am |
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Lead_Not_Follow wrote: 93XJMan wrote: A 44 out of an XJ would be hard as hell to find. They only put Dana 44s in XJs in 87. Not true. Dana 44 non c-clip - 30 spline, 1.31" diameter shafts, 8.5" ring gear, 2.75" axle tube - used 87-89 on some (not all) XJs equipped with towing package. They arn't impossiable to find, but if you do find one expect to pay $400-500 for one as they are highly desirable among the XJ/MJ guys. Sweet, thats pretty cool, I did not know that.
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 10:08 pm |
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Tuffjarhed wrote: jkirisits wrote: Tuffjarhed wrote: kennedy wrote: I don't like the 8.8 because its till a C-clip style axle. ? I understand what you are saying, but keep in mind that the ONLY bolt-on axle he's gonna get is a TJ 44. No, those aren't available for 200. Therefor,all the bracketry and stuff on whatever is the replacement is going to have to be custom made, and I'm pretty sure I know the guy that's gonna do the work. I don't like doing things twice. Out here in the Midwest? Last I checked, Fort Wayne ain't in SOCAL. I don't like mud, but I've done it, and I probably will again. And as far as budgets are concerned, most guys on here have more in their Daily Driver's than I do in my rig. I know that I am being hard headed on the subject, but as I said, I don't like doing things twice. this is the part i liked the best 
I know what you are saying about doing things twice. I used an 8.8, it was appropriate at the time. now i want 40" tires, so i am removing the 8.8 and my hugely polished turdy up front, and am installing a 60 in the front and a 14 in the rear (so, i don't need those 4.88 gears installed).
I am doing it twice... if i had only known before.
I still stand by my opinion, that if 35's are max, the 8.8 isn't a bad way to go. especially if you already have rims.
Now that i look back on it, i would have been way ahead to install a rear 60 or 14 ($50 at a junk yard) and ran adapters/spacers for the front till I got more .
but, i figured i wouldn't go bigger than 35's.
stupid me...
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:40 pm |
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that is what i am trying to tell him but he doesn't listen... oh well...
that is why i want to buy big and build big so i don't have to spend all that twice...
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 7:24 am |
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Sparky wrote: that is what i am trying to tell him but he doesn't listen... oh well... that is why i want to buy big and build big so i don't have to spend all that twice... As big as your avatar!!!
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 7:25 am |
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jkirisits wrote: I know what you are saying about doing things twice. I used an 8.8, it was appropriate at the time. meow i want 40" tires, so i am removing the 8.8 and my hugely polished turdy up front, and am installing a 60 in the front and a 14 in the rear (so, i don't need those 4.88 gears installed). I am doing it twice... if i had only known before. I still stand by my opinion, that if 35's are max, the 8.8 isn't a bad way to go. especially if you already have rims. meow that i look back on it, i would have been way ahead to install a rear 60 or 14 ($50 at a junk yard) and ran adapters/spacers for the front till I got more . but, i figured i wouldn't go bigger than 35's. stupid me... 40's???? do explain...maybe a new thread?
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'78 CJ7 project....350, NV3500, NP241, fiberglass tub, show and shine
'72 Oldsmobile Cutlass convertible - the family fun car
'05 Chevrolet 3500 dually, duramax, stock
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'08 Chevrolet HHR company car - The silver bullet
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