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 Post subject: Diesel Donor is HOME!
 Post Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 12:58 pm 
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I made over to Raymond, IL to collect my Diesel Donor.
To recap, it is a 1993 GMC Vandura 3500 powered by a 6.2L Diesel and 4L80E.
The 4L80E is bad, so I took my 1981 J20 3/4ton 4x4 truck, a short UHaul trailer and most importantly, my Buddy, Side Kick, No1 Helper, my son Nathan, age 10.

The van's 6.2L Diesel starts easy and runs great.
When it starts, it the exhaust clouds up some, but clears out quickly.
I dunno if this typical diesel exhaust or valve seals, or what.
To me, running, it sounds healthy.
I'll make another posting about how to proceed, but for now, I wish to share with you the trip home.

Here's a short of the gauges of J20 early in the trip.
The oil pressure on the open road was about 22-24 pounds and the temperature stayed about 210* when running 65-70 MPH and rose to 220* at 75mph.
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On the way home, we traveled at 35-40mph with a max of 45mph.
The oil pressure was 16-18psi and the temperature stayed at 220*

Here we are loaded and ready to pull out for the very long trip home.
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The van was too short the trailer.
We got the van on the trailer, but that's a story in and of itself.
We were lucky the owner of the van operates a bodyshop and wrecker/towing service.
He used his wrecker to winch the van upon the trailer, with me at the wheel.
Then, he went around to the back and picked up the van and sat it on the trailer.

Once we pulled out, I KNEW this van was very heavy!
Anything above 40MPH, it wanted to fishtail bad.
This van had most its weight on the rear the trailer and the light tongue is my explanation for the fishtailing.
I felt like a dog that was being wagged by its tail!
35MPH was a comfortable speed and could sneak upon 40, but not over 40.
Nathan and I had 340 miles per the Interstate to travel, but at this speed, would be traffic hazard.
I took the 2 lane country roads from Raymond, IL to Fort Wayne, IL
We traveled up IL State Rte 48 to Decatur, a scary few miles on I-72 and then north on US-51 to Clinton where took IL State Rte 54 to Gilman, IL
and across on US-24 back to Fort Wayne.
The trip back took 11 hours with included gas stops and dinner in Gilman.

Hey! That Van is tailgating us!
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Nathan's view of our Diesel Donor
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My son, Nathan.
FFSJE (Future Full Size Jeep Enthusiast) and assistant to the Chief Mechanic.
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After a long afternoon and early evening, we stopped a Gilman, IL for a bite to eat at a truck stop.
During dinner, I wonder how much the van weighed, how much was a towing and how heavy it all had to be.
So after I dinner, I paid $8.50 to find out.
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The results: My J20 weighs 5160 pounds and the trailer with the van weighs 7220 pounds.
Total Gross Weight: 12,400 pounds!
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The important thing is that we took out time and operated our rig in a safe manner.
I am thankful that Nathan and I made it home safe and sound.
No issues to report and I am very okay with that!

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1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited (my DD)
1993 GMC 3500 extended length cargo van, 6.2L Diesel powered.
1982 J10 - current project, replacement AMC 360 sitting in the engine bay.
1981 J20 - stock with a super kewl commercial flat bed (stored, long term Diesel dually project)


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 Post Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:32 pm 
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I love the Jeep truck dude lol its awsome :tu2:

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Awsome. Glad to see you were finally able to get it home :tu2:

As for the puff of smoke on start up, diesels tend to do that, except maybe these newer super emissions friendly ones.

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kennedy wrote:
Awsome. Glad to see you were finally able to get it home :tu2:

As for the puff of smoke on start up, diesels tend to do that, except maybe these newer super emissions friendly ones.


When its cold, it starts and run a tab bit rough and puffs smoke, but if I step on the skinny peddle to give some fuel, it run smooth and quits smoking.
the best way I can describe it, is it like starting a gasser with no choke..it runs like poo cold, but if you give a wee bit of fuel, it's okay.
I do not want to think this anything very serious, but could the DB2 injector pump going sour.

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2004 KIA Optima (wife 's DD)
1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited (my DD)
1993 GMC 3500 extended length cargo van, 6.2L Diesel powered.
1982 J10 - current project, replacement AMC 360 sitting in the engine bay.
1981 J20 - stock with a super kewl commercial flat bed (stored, long term Diesel dually project)


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This Van I brought home has a full tank of Diesel fuel.
(WOW! 30 gallons, nearly $100 in fuel!)

I was reading over the TheDieselPageforums.com that bad fuel could be the could it running rough and puffing clouds of smoke.

So, I need to dump a few bottles of Fuel Treatment.

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2004 KIA Optima (wife 's DD)
1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited (my DD)
1993 GMC 3500 extended length cargo van, 6.2L Diesel powered.
1982 J10 - current project, replacement AMC 360 sitting in the engine bay.
1981 J20 - stock with a super kewl commercial flat bed (stored, long term Diesel dually project)


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Sweet man. The fishtailing was probably from the lack of tongue weight. Glad you were sharp enough to drive slow and keep things in check. :tu2:

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kennedy wrote:
Awsome. Glad to see you were finally able to get it home :tu2:

As for the puff of smoke on start up, diesels tend to do that, except maybe these newer super emissions friendly ones.


When its cold, it starts and run a tab bit rough and puffs smoke, but if I step on the skinny peddle to give some fuel, it run smooth and quits smoking.
the best way I can describe it, is it like starting a gasser with no choke..it runs like poo cold, but if you give a wee bit of fuel, it's okay.
I do not want to think this anything very serious, but could the DB2 injector pump going sour.


I don't know alot about the older chevy diesels, but it could be glow plugs too.
Diesel doesn't tend to go bad like gas does.

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noone means any harm and that it's all in fun.. but then there's kennedy..

'46CJ2a/buggy project in the works, yeah, still have those parts.
'14 Chebby Silverado, 4x4
'88 GMC S15 Trail Gypsy
A sweet lawn mower
Motorcycles: '14 HD FLHTCU, '92 HD FXRS, '26 HD JD, '02 Suzuki DRZ400, '56 Cushman Eagle, '48 Simplex ServiCycle, '72 Honda MiniTrail50, '81 Yamaha YR250, Probably some other stuff
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looks like an interesting ride.

Just don't expect that 6.2 to be any kind of performance motor.

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 Post subject: It's about Economy, Not Performance
 Post Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:32 am 
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crazy_cooter56 wrote:
looks like an interesting ride.

Just don't expect that 6.2 to be any kind of performance motor.


I agree.
But, if I wanted a performance Diesel, I would be looking for a Cummins or something else.
My goal is the make my '86 Grand Wagoneer a daily driver and get low to mid 20's MPG.
The 6.2 is a thrifty motor, not a powerhouse.

Another thrifty Diesel is the Olds 5.7L Diesel.
Lots of folks do not like that motor, but after GM worked out all the issues, its a fine motor.
I am a member of the Olds-Diesel.com.
Lots great information and nice folks
The Old Diesel is really thrifty on fuel.
My brother has a Old Diesel powered 1980 Chevy 1/2 ton PU that he swapped the TH400 out for a 700R4.
He gets 30+ MPG.
With all the mods, it puts out about 160-175HP...not fast, but it does fine as a DD.
Sadly, the body has rotted away to nothing.

My same brother also has a 1997 Ford F-150 with a Cummins 4BT.
He has lots of issues with it due to the hack job by the fellow that did the conversion.
It has a plenty of power for a 1/2 ton PU and get high 20's MPG.

I choose the 6.2L Diesel for my swap, for I wanted to be different from my brother.
I did not to get grief from my friends and family that I was a Kopy Kat.
Also, there are a several other members of the International Full Size Jeep Assoc that have performed this 6.2L Swap into a FSJ with excellent results.
If I am Kopy Kating anyone, it would be these fellows.

As the 6.2L is externally the same size as a SBC, then anywhere you can stuff a SBC, a 6.2L Diesel can fit.
Unlike the later Cummins 6BT, Powerstroke and Duramax, the 6.2l Diesel is a total mechanical motor.
Add fuel, electric to the starter and it runs.
No stinking ECM or brain to deal with.
Very few wires (I like that!!)

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2004 KIA Optima (wife 's DD)
1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited (my DD)
1993 GMC 3500 extended length cargo van, 6.2L Diesel powered.
1982 J10 - current project, replacement AMC 360 sitting in the engine bay.
1981 J20 - stock with a super kewl commercial flat bed (stored, long term Diesel dually project)


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